Craps is found in all Las Vegas casinos that have more than a handful of table games. The rules are generally the same from one casino to another except for the odds permitted online bets and whether the Field pays double or triple on 12.
El Cortez Sometimes playing craps in a low-key environment can be fun. It's a very zen feeling as easier to 'become one' with the dice. El Cortez is one of my favorite options for this mood. The above video is the conclusion of my craps game at El Cortez. In this part of the El Cortez game, I switch my betting strategy to betting the inside numbers. Many viewers and veteran craps players hate come betting and prefer place bets. So mid-game, I switched in order to accommodate both types of players. Few Vegas images are more iconic than blowing on the dice and tossing them across the table. Take your turn rolling the bones, and channel classic Vegas with every cheer of the crowd. With 10x odds, the El Cortez offers one of the most dynamic Vegas craps games in all of downtown. The game of craps is played with a pair of dice. Las Vegas Craps Odds. Most craps tables on the Las Vegas Strip offer 3/4/5 times odds. This means that a player can wager three times the flat bet on a 4 and 10, four times on a five and 9, and five times on a six and eight. In general El Cortez is the antithesis of everything I like in a casino. It's old, dirty and I love it. Many of the craps players at El Cortez are crotchety old men. It feels as though they all play the Don't Pass line.
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Las Vegas Craps Minimum Bets
Las Vegas craps minimum bets range from $1 to $50. Here is a list of all Las Vegas casinos that spread craps with its minimum bet. These minimum bets were recorded on weekdays. Higher minimum bets may be found during peak hours.
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Las Vegas Craps Odds
Most craps tables on the Las Vegas Strip offer 3/4/5 times odds. This means that a player can wager three times the flat bet on a 4 and 10, four times on a five and 9, and five times on a six and eight. The maximum win with odds on any of these numbers equals six times the flat bet. A notable exception is The Cromwell, where players may take odds for up to 100 times the original wager.
Downtown Las Vegas and the locals market tend to spread 10 times odds. There are some exceptions. Below is a list of each odds grouping with the amount permitted by each house.
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Complete Las Vegas Craps Survey 2019
| Casino | Game | Min Bet | Max Bet | # of Tables | Odds | Field 12 | Video |
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| Plaza | Crapless Craps | 5 | 1000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Stratosphere | Crapless Craps | 10 | 2000 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Stratosphere | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| 4 Queens | Craps | 5 | 500 | 2 | 5 x | Double | No |
| Aliante Casino | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Aria | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 8 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Arizona Charlie's Boulder | Craps | 2 | 1000 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Arizona Charlie's Decatur | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 5 x | Triple | No |
| Bally's | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Bally's | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Bellagio | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Bellagio | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 8 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Binion's | Craps | 5 | 500 | 3 | 5 x | Double | No |
| Binion's | Craps | 3 | 200 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Boulder Station | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 200 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| California | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 4 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Cannery | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Casino Royale | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Circus Circus | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Club Fortune | Craps | 1 | 100 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Cosmopolitan | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Cosmopolitan | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Cromwell | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 100 x | Double | Yes |
| Downtown Grand | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 5 x | Triple | No |
| Eastside Cannery | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| El Cortez | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Ellis Island | Craps | 5 | 300 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Encore | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Excalibur | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Fiesta Rancho | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Fiesta Rancho | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Fiesta Henderson | Craps | 3 | 1000 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Flamingo | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Flamingo | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Flamingo | Craps | 100 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Fremont | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 4 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Fremont | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Gold Coast | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Gate | Craps | 5 | 2500 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Nugget | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Nugget (Pool) | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Green Valley Ranch | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 4 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Hard Rock | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Hard Rock | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Harrah's | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Harrah's | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| OYO | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Joker's Wild | Craps | 1 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Linq | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Luxor | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| M Resort | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 3 | 5 x | Double/Triple | No |
| Main Street Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 20 x | Triple | No |
| Mandalay Bay | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 7 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Mandalay Bay | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Mirage | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| NYNY | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| NYNY | Craps | 25 | 3000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Orleans | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| O'Sheas | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Palace Station | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Palazzo | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 5 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Palazzo | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 3 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Palms | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Paris | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Park MGM Casino | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Planet Hollywood | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Plaza | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Railroad Pass | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Rampart | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Red Rock | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 5 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Rio | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Sam's Town | Craps | 3 | 1000 | 4 | 20 x | Triple | No |
| Santa Fe Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Silver 7's | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Silverton | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | Yes |
| Sahara Las Vegas | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| South Point | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 15 | 2000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 25 | 2000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Stratosphere | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Suncoast | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Texas Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| The D | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Treasure Island | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Treasure Island | Craps | 1 | 100 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Tropicana | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 2 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Tuscany | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Venetian | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 5 | 2 x | Triple | Yes |
| Venetian | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 3 | 2 x | Triple | Yes |
| Westgate | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 7 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 100 | 10000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
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Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
There is no reason for a casino not to book that bet, other than ignorance.
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
That makes sense, but it didn't actually come from the dealer. It was the box lady, who I would figure to have a bit more experience. The dealer never looked twice at my press.
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want. When you up the pass line, you can only take back the odds. The amount you are only going to get paid 1-1 must stay in action.
Calculate your payoffs on what you are doing with the PL add-on, and then calculate if you made place bets instead, and I think you will find the amounts are the same, or better, with the place bet.
Where it used to make sense to up the pass line was on a table where they were playing all 3x odds. On a $10 PL bet, point of 6, you could put down 30 in odds. But if you asked the dealer, many times if your PL bet was 15, they would treat it like it was 25, and allow you to put down 75 in odds, effectively giving you 5x odds. So every time I had a point of 6 or 8, and a $10 PL bet, I would up the PL to $15 and then put down $75 in odds. This was a better play, because the extra $5 PL bet allowed me to put down an additional $40 in odds, or 8x. 3-4-5x tables pretty much eliminated the need for this play.
I thought I was going to jail when I upped my pass line bet in AC 14 years ago. The box there was a total ass about it. I said 'sorry, I do this all the time in Vegas, and since it is an advantage to the casino, I am surprised you don't allow it.' The brilliant reply I got? 'You ain't in Vegas.'
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
LOL what a ploppy idiot.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want.
BINGO!!!! If you only read one thing on this thread, read the above quote.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount.
Yep. They have 10x odds at EC, so when I get past the limit, I drop $1 on the line and $10 on odds. The house still has an advantage overall, so I'm not sure why the objection.
Nice to hear that my experience is not unique anyway. 'You ain't in Vegas' makes me smile, just a little bit.
I was playing at Primm a few months ago, they are 3-4-5x odds and $2 minimum in the off hours. I was playing the minimum, and taking max odds. I get confused by 3-4-5x odds, so when the come went to 6 or 8, I said '$15 odds' and the dealer would press my flat bet up to $3, and give me the $15 odds that I asked for. I didn't notice at first because the dealer took the extra dollar from my place bet that was taken down. So the dealer was essentially doing what you were reprimanded for doing. I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
Here's the thing. If you did not increase your odds bet, then would you have pressed your pass line bet? No! Taking it to the extreme, if I wanted to, I could put the minimum on the pass line and then when the point came out, I could just increase my pass line bet to whatever I want so that I can get 1000x odds against my original bet amount. It still works out for the casino but it violates the intent of the rules.This thread reminded me of something that happened to me in January. I wanted to ask the resident gamblers about it, because the whole experience left me confused.
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
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Complete Las Vegas Craps Survey 2019
| Casino | Game | Min Bet | Max Bet | # of Tables | Odds | Field 12 | Video |
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| Plaza | Crapless Craps | 5 | 1000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Stratosphere | Crapless Craps | 10 | 2000 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Stratosphere | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| 4 Queens | Craps | 5 | 500 | 2 | 5 x | Double | No |
| Aliante Casino | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Aria | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 8 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Arizona Charlie's Boulder | Craps | 2 | 1000 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Arizona Charlie's Decatur | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 5 x | Triple | No |
| Bally's | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Bally's | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Bellagio | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Bellagio | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 8 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Binion's | Craps | 5 | 500 | 3 | 5 x | Double | No |
| Binion's | Craps | 3 | 200 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Boulder Station | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Caesars Palace | Craps | 200 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| California | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 4 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Cannery | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Casino Royale | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Circus Circus | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Club Fortune | Craps | 1 | 100 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Cosmopolitan | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Cosmopolitan | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Cromwell | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 100 x | Double | Yes |
| Downtown Grand | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 5 x | Triple | No |
| Eastside Cannery | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| El Cortez | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Ellis Island | Craps | 5 | 300 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Encore | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Excalibur | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Fiesta Rancho | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Fiesta Rancho | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Fiesta Henderson | Craps | 3 | 1000 | 1 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Flamingo | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Flamingo | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Flamingo | Craps | 100 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Fremont | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 4 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Fremont | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Gold Coast | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Gate | Craps | 5 | 2500 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Nugget | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Golden Nugget (Pool) | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Green Valley Ranch | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 4 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Hard Rock | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Hard Rock | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Harrah's | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Harrah's | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| OYO | Craps | 10 | 1000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Joker's Wild | Craps | 1 | 500 | 1 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Linq | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Luxor | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| M Resort | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 3 | 5 x | Double/Triple | No |
| Main Street Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 20 x | Triple | No |
| Mandalay Bay | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 7 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Mandalay Bay | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| MGM Grand | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Mirage | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| NYNY | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| NYNY | Craps | 25 | 3000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | Yes |
| Orleans | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| O'Sheas | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Palace Station | Craps | 5 | 3000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Palazzo | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 5 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Palazzo | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 3 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Palms | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Paris | Craps | 15 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Park MGM Casino | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 5 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Planet Hollywood | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 6 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Plaza | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Railroad Pass | Craps | 3 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Rampart | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Red Rock | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 5 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Rio | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Double | Yes |
| Sam's Town | Craps | 3 | 1000 | 4 | 20 x | Triple | No |
| Santa Fe Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Silver 7's | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Silverton | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | Yes |
| Sahara Las Vegas | Craps | 10 | 3000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| South Point | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 2 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 15 | 2000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| South Point | Craps | 25 | 2000 | 1 | 2 x | Triple | No |
| Stratosphere | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 2 | 10 x | Double | No |
| Suncoast | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Texas Station | Craps | 5 | 1000 | 3 | 10 x | Double | No |
| The D | Craps | 5 | 5000 | 2 | 10 x | Triple | No |
| Treasure Island | Craps | 10 | 2000 | 4 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Treasure Island | Craps | 1 | 100 | 1 | 2 x | Double | Yes |
| Tropicana | Craps | 15 | 3000 | 2 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Tuscany | Craps | 5 | 500 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Venetian | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 5 | 2 x | Triple | Yes |
| Venetian | Craps | 50 | 5000 | 3 | 2 x | Triple | Yes |
| Westgate | Craps | 5 | 2000 | 3 | 3-4-5 x | Double | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 10 | 5000 | 7 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 25 | 5000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
| Wynn | Craps | 100 | 10000 | 1 | 3-4-5 x | Triple | No |
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
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Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
There is no reason for a casino not to book that bet, other than ignorance.
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
That makes sense, but it didn't actually come from the dealer. It was the box lady, who I would figure to have a bit more experience. The dealer never looked twice at my press.
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want. When you up the pass line, you can only take back the odds. The amount you are only going to get paid 1-1 must stay in action.
Calculate your payoffs on what you are doing with the PL add-on, and then calculate if you made place bets instead, and I think you will find the amounts are the same, or better, with the place bet.
Where it used to make sense to up the pass line was on a table where they were playing all 3x odds. On a $10 PL bet, point of 6, you could put down 30 in odds. But if you asked the dealer, many times if your PL bet was 15, they would treat it like it was 25, and allow you to put down 75 in odds, effectively giving you 5x odds. So every time I had a point of 6 or 8, and a $10 PL bet, I would up the PL to $15 and then put down $75 in odds. This was a better play, because the extra $5 PL bet allowed me to put down an additional $40 in odds, or 8x. 3-4-5x tables pretty much eliminated the need for this play.
I thought I was going to jail when I upped my pass line bet in AC 14 years ago. The box there was a total ass about it. I said 'sorry, I do this all the time in Vegas, and since it is an advantage to the casino, I am surprised you don't allow it.' The brilliant reply I got? 'You ain't in Vegas.'
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
LOL what a ploppy idiot.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want.
BINGO!!!! If you only read one thing on this thread, read the above quote.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount.
Yep. They have 10x odds at EC, so when I get past the limit, I drop $1 on the line and $10 on odds. The house still has an advantage overall, so I'm not sure why the objection.
Nice to hear that my experience is not unique anyway. 'You ain't in Vegas' makes me smile, just a little bit.
I was playing at Primm a few months ago, they are 3-4-5x odds and $2 minimum in the off hours. I was playing the minimum, and taking max odds. I get confused by 3-4-5x odds, so when the come went to 6 or 8, I said '$15 odds' and the dealer would press my flat bet up to $3, and give me the $15 odds that I asked for. I didn't notice at first because the dealer took the extra dollar from my place bet that was taken down. So the dealer was essentially doing what you were reprimanded for doing. I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
Here's the thing. If you did not increase your odds bet, then would you have pressed your pass line bet? No! Taking it to the extreme, if I wanted to, I could put the minimum on the pass line and then when the point came out, I could just increase my pass line bet to whatever I want so that I can get 1000x odds against my original bet amount. It still works out for the casino but it violates the intent of the rules.This thread reminded me of something that happened to me in January. I wanted to ask the resident gamblers about it, because the whole experience left me confused.
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
So if I read this right you just wanted to add $1 to your pass line bet after the point was established?
No reason not to allow that. I think it was covered that this was allowed on the first day of dealer school. If not the first then the second.
Was she hot? Maybe she just dated the floorman to get the job??
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